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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2013, 06:33:34 AM »
One more thing to consider is using Auto reset fuze's.  I use them in all my stuff and have really good luck.  If something should ground in a fan or light they are like a breaker.  Off for the ground then back on in a minuet.  They will stay off as long as the ground is present. That way you don't have to carry a bunch of fuze's with you.  Works for me anyways.

That will be a nice upgrade once I have it all sorted.  Found them for $5.73 each? 

Guess one and done is the good aspect?

http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/p185_12volt_atc_circuit_breaker.html
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2013, 06:38:50 AM »
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2013, 06:58:33 AM »
Most of it is 12 / 14.  Couple larger for high draw items.  Would you not have to consider draw to figure fuse size?
Sure ,but you are still protecting the wiring and not the device. In other words there is no reason to oversize wiring since the wire size should be based on current draw. Adequate but not oversize wiring is the best school of thought on a well planned layout. Most wires we use could be smaller and that just makes for a neater install. A fuse only needs to be large enough to cover running loads and if you use circuit breakers as fast suggested(I do,damn well worth the few extra bux) they need no oversizing . Just keep in mind that the device wired in will always use fewer amps than the fuse rating and the only way there will be more draw is if the device has failed and grounded out . It's already toast and the wiring is the only thing needing protected by a fuse. That is the purpose of a fuse,to keep the wiring from blazing. Many,many car fires are due to not understanding that.
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2013, 07:05:16 AM »
So the answer is wire size is determined by load and fuse size is determined by wire size?
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2013, 07:05:24 AM »
Back to fuse size selection.  Found this - easy read and explains relationship of wires to load, etc.  That being the case some of the light wires have a relativly small wire at the mount, etc.  Seems like a 14/16 or so for some of the lights. 

http://www.oznium.com/forum/topic15761
Didn't see the post but ,ya,that chart is what I'm talking about and like your lights with 14 or 16 ga. There is no need or reason to go larger than the leads coming off them. Some things may be even 22 ga. Same rule applies. Larger wires are a waste and make for a stiff and harder to neatly route wire bundle also.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2013, 07:08:34 AM »
So the answer is wire size is determined by load and fuse size is determined by wire size?
No, fuse size will still be determined by load as is wire size. Balance the system.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2013, 08:06:07 AM »
I like that those breaker/fuses fit in standard fuse socket.  The ones I was spying were larger square ones.  But I did like Fabr suggested, most wires in mine are 22g, ext harness gauges and all the sensors.  Fan, lights, fuel pump are 14g and maybe a 10g for main power.  Put in wire loom that is exposed for an easy search.  And no crimp on crap, soldier and heatshrink!!
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2013, 09:13:44 AM »
I've always been a solder and heat shrink guy myself BUT there are those who believe there are reasons that crimp is actually better than solder. I'm slowly being convinced they are right.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
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Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2013, 09:24:17 AM »
I went crimp and shrink.   
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2013, 10:07:17 AM »
Maybe the "quality" of the crimp.  And most over squeeze the crimp tool breaking some wires.  Crimp is faster ;)
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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2013, 10:15:32 AM »
 I only use adhesive lined shrink tube also for a waterproof seal.

I have recently began doing mostly crimp. Most OEM's have gone exclusively to higher quality crimp terminations. Carl has a very good point about proper crimping also. I am shocked at the price of quality crimpers, dedicated to the type of terminal and wire size ,are. :o :o  On new car I'm going to use a lot of weatherpak type connectors and they need special crimpers also.   eyes Oh well,lots faster and dependable if done right.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2013, 04:32:53 PM »
So as promised, here are some "progress" pictures.  Did not get much done on it today.  Seemed tough to work on for some reason.  Called it good for today and walked away.   New fuse / relay area, and even picked up a fancy LED license plate light to stay legal for the runs to Sonic.  Added a horn to boot. 

As my primary goal is if / when somebody comes behind me then can figure it out, I went ahead and labeled all the circuits. 

Figure I am around 45 / 50% done.  Started at left front headlight working in a clockwise fashion and next is engine area then left tail light.  Then off to dash area, sort that and be done.





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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2013, 06:04:44 PM »
Nice and neat. Looks very good.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
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Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2013, 11:17:13 PM »
Looking good Jeff.  Feel's good to step back and admire your work when done.  Able to say I did that. Knowing what you have when done is very gratifying. Keep up the good work.  Maybe come down and spend the week end with us some time with the new jeep and we can all go over the mountain together. 

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Re: I dont want to sound stupid
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2013, 06:27:42 AM »
Don't know which would be better for that the Jeep or the Buggy?  I am thinking Jep when it has brush and buggy for the flats.  Either way it will be fun.
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