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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2009, 10:47:27 AM »
Make sure,IMO, that it is a true roller type also.
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2009, 02:02:14 PM »
Well, this sucks as I have already bought everything!!!  It's not from mcmaster though, it's a good name brand in a blue box, just cant think of the name.  I'll get the name on sunday.  I'm about 99% sure its roller chain, looks just like a streetbike chain but double wide with four plates.  I believe its strength was of minimum of 12000 lbs.?? and it will be in oil behind about 110 hp I think.  this is bad news
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2009, 03:10:43 PM »
Any idea where I could buy the Silent chain I need Master? If its something I can get easily and the sprockets as well I might try it, but if not I will just have a big box....I already got a small one.....Hehe....
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2009, 03:20:07 PM »
Quote from: Bennyhanna on February 20, 2009, 02:02:14 PM
Well, this sucks as I have already bought everything!!!  It's not from mcmaster though, it's a good name brand in a blue box, just cant think of the name.  I'll get the name on sunday.  I'm about 99% sure its roller chain, looks just like a streetbike chain but double wide with four plates.  I believe its strength was of minimum of 12000 lbs.?? and it will be in oil behind about 110 hp I think.  this is bad news

If it's blue it may be diamond.  That is the best of the Industrial chain.  I would check the MFR spec on tensile strength once you know what it is, and compare that to the tensile claims of a good motorcycle chain for a Busa or something big.  With Double width and 100 HP you may be ok.
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2009, 05:05:15 PM »
Quote from: Engineer on February 20, 2009, 03:20:07 PM
If it's blue it may be diamond.  That is the best of the Industrial chain.  I would check the MFR spec on tensile strength once you know what it is, and compare that to the tensile claims of a good motorcycle chain for a Busa or something big.  With Double width and 100 HP you may be ok.
IMO if it's in the 11+K range it will be fine. No problem.
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2009, 05:11:10 PM »
Quote from: Whiplash on February 20, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
Any idea where I could buy the Silent chain I need Master? If its something I can get easily and the sprockets as well I might try it, but if not I will just have a big box....I already got a small one.....Hehe....
Ramsey Chain but, you said you want cheap. THey are not as expensive as yoshi let on but it is not nearly as cheap as roller chain and sprockets. What hp range you running ,what is average COUNTERSHAFT rpm and HP at that rpm ,what is max CS rpm and HP at that rpm? I'll run the numbers for you. Oh,and what tooth count you want for drive and driven? 
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2009, 05:22:55 PM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on February 20, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
Ramsey Chain but, you said you want cheap. THey are not as expensive as yoshi let on but it is not nearly as cheap as roller chain and sprockets. What hp range you running ,what is average COUNTERSHAFT rpm and HP at that rpm ,what is max CS rpm and HP at that rpm? I'll run the numbers for you. Oh,and what tooth count you want for drive and driven?

Let me help you get those numbers Fabr.....  let me turn back a page here..... yep....yep....yep.....

OK, Hes is running a Ecotec, so 200hp, 150ft/lbs at 6500 rpm through a CVT so 200hp, 150 ft/lbs at 6500rpm at max ratio of 1:1 at the input shaft.  He wants a 6:1 ratio with the chain.  So how small can you go on the silent chain to carry that hp at a 6:1 ratio?  And BTW don't you have an experimental unit sitting around with almost those specs?
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2009, 07:44:05 PM »
Experimental unit? ;D Sounds interesting, but I really want headroom in there for more power, that's why I am going with two chains, I would like to be able to turbo it eventually. Figure about a max of 350 HP and a peak RPM of 6800 tops...Basically for the tooth count 6:1 ratio is good and whatever is the smallest and will still take the power.
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2009, 07:47:06 PM »
What will be the average RPM and what HP at that RPM?
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »
Oh yeah the experimental unit burned up along with the buggy. I do still have the sprockets and the chain might be salvageable. I have 2 sets of shafts I believe shafts .All you need is a new housing and bearings/seals.  Maybe  a chain. I'll sell all for 200 bux.The custom large sprocket cost me 600. Would have been 1/3 of that if I'd have known all the tooth counts available were not considered stock. LOL!!!! I'll have to recheck but I think the ratio was 4.56:1 tho. Or very close to that anyway. If you're interested I'll look tomorrow.
  Bug is right tho that if you enclose a big sprocket you have a BIG case.Tjhink about it . You'll lose a ton of ground clearance.
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2009, 08:02:48 PM »
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2009, 09:28:13 PM »
I just downloaded a program from ramsey and it seems to me they really want to sell 3" chain....
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2009, 07:05:37 PM »
Any idea where you can find good 530 chain at a reasonable price? and do #50 ansi chain sprockets fit 530 chain?
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2009, 07:11:00 PM »
No,yes and it's not a good idea IMO as the pins bear a greater load in their middle due to the wider width of the 530 chain compared to the ansi spec #50 sprocket.
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Re: Basic Dwg. of chaincase idea......Whataya think?
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2009, 07:22:27 PM »
the number 50 sprockets i bought were wide as a 530 all day long...
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