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Thanks. That explains to me how micro stubs can be so much shorter. I wanted to go that route, but since I already had the entire stub/brake/hub assembly, I couldn't justify spending all that money for new stuff. Longer axles would have been nice, but with more travel (I can get about 16" now) comes longer shocks. Which would have been higher than my roll cage. I guess looks shouldn't matter, everything I build looks funny anyway!