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Title: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 16, 2021, 07:33:21 PM
I can't believe how Covid has effed me. First Dart informs me they don't have a clue when they would be making any more Iron Eagle blocks for the foreseeable future . They don't actually have their own foundry like Brodix so they have little control on when they get castings. Effin Covid.      I then go looking for a used one but of course I want some options such as .927 bronze bushed heyway lifter bores/55mm roller cam bearings/raised cam/Sb2.2 lifter pattern ,etc..   Rare as hens teeth but I located one and as far as I can tell it is probably one out there anymore.    Ok ,cool,I decide to buy it.   Effin circle track guys are flaky as all get out and I'm on my way to inspect/buy. I get a call informing me he had decided to keep it. At least I wasn't very far,could have been worse like 12 fricken hours further!!!  5:   Fast forward a few days and I decide to call Dart and see if there was any availability of a Little M block. They said yes,but,16 weeks out with the options I need.  Eff me. 

  On a bright note though ,I did score a new,used for mock up only Morel DLC coated .926 keyway lifters for a killer deal. Retail for these things is minimum of $2600 a set and I got them for $500.  ;D 8) ;D   Also found a Jesel raised cam belt drive about $150 under going price.  I guess some things are going right. :m
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: budlight69 on June 17, 2021, 02:46:29 PM
That sucks on the engine block.  Glad you found something that will work for you.  I have to ask (I know it's probably been covered) why you don't go with an LS platform?  I know you are probably in too deep now with fit, accessories, etc.

 I did get lucky and have a new MD5 sitting in the shop, with all new lower gear ratios
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 17, 2021, 05:45:29 PM
Changing to the LS platform would be a huge PITA. Basically everything would be different. I mean,EVERYTHING! :m Besides I can make as much or more HP n/a with the Sb2.2 than an LS. I have lots of parts also for keeping the SB2.2 platform alive for a long time. Only thing I don't have is a big inch short block,hence the Little M Dart block.

The Little M starting out at 4.125 bore and will still be good to go @ 4.185 with minimum cylinder walls of .275 thick. That will give me years and years of refreshes .005 at a time. The things are 2000 HP capable strength wise. I'm having Patterson Elite in Augusta,Ks get it for me. They have been tight with Dart forever so maybe,just maybe,the 16 weeks will at least be realistic. 
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 17, 2021, 05:47:39 PM
Good you found a trans. Lower gears will be a nice plus!
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on June 18, 2021, 06:50:07 AM
fabr, thats does bite. so covid has messed up a lot of things. imo, its also been used as an excuse for a lot of things as well. which one is which.....i will never know.  you wont get it done when you had hoped but you will ge5 it done. i hope the current engine is safe and solid for an octobher ride.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on June 18, 2021, 06:50:49 AM
budlight.... you got lucky finding another 5 speed. better hold onto that like its the last one on earth  ;D
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 18, 2021, 10:59:21 AM
fabr, thats does bite. so covid has messed up a lot of things. imo, its also been used as an excuse for a lot of things as well. which one is which.....i will never know.  you wont get it done when you had hoped but you will ge5 it done. i hope the current engine is safe and solid for an octobher ride.
Yes,it is.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 22, 2021, 07:14:32 PM
Warning!!!! Sticker shock.   Taking guesses on a new Dart Little M block,billet main caps ,raised 55mm roller cam bearings, SB2.2 lifter pattern with .936 bushed keyway lifter bores and Dart does all finish machine work(bore/hone/deck/line hone cam bores and main bores),ready to assemble. What is your guess?

I missed it by $1000 5:
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: BrianN on June 22, 2021, 07:46:15 PM
$4,862.00.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 22, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
You and I think alike. We are wrong though. Drowning :m
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: BrianN on June 22, 2021, 08:16:58 PM
$6,313.00.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on June 23, 2021, 10:20:33 AM
damn
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: budlight69 on June 23, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
$6314.00   :m
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 23, 2021, 04:13:09 PM
6K even.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on June 24, 2021, 11:35:10 AM
still...... damn!
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on June 24, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
Just think,the .937 keyway lifter bushings and maching to SB2.2 lifter pattern is $1700 of it by itself. I saved enough on the NOS Morel lifters to pay for the bushing install.  LOL!! Easy come,easy go.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on October 13, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
any updates?
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on October 13, 2021, 07:29:18 PM
Yup. $30K of parts paid for and now playing the 4-6 month (if I'm lucky)waiting game. What did take 30 days before covid BS now takes forever. Problem is that I still need to order titanium valves and springs, shaft rockers and pushrods but can't order them till I get the engine mocked up whenever the block gets here. Every focking thing is custom on these damn things.  Bright spot is they should "only" take 5-7 weeks according to Liberty and T&D.  In other words all I have gotten done is spend money. :m

 That's the short version. I'll fill you in next week.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on December 07, 2021, 09:07:11 PM
Woohoo!!!! I got word the block/pistons/rods/crank should all be here sometime =================next month!!  :m :m bs1 :m
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on December 08, 2021, 06:37:32 AM
that is good news and about time  :m  i hope they are what they are supposed to be! going to be a great build!!
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on December 08, 2021, 06:14:09 PM
 LMAO ya just 28+/- weeks instead of 16 . bs1  :m :m
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on December 10, 2021, 07:25:48 AM
LMAO ya just 28+/- weeks instead of 16 . bs1  :m :m

only 28 weeks huh  :m  :nw
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on February 09, 2022, 08:29:58 PM
 :m I get a call today that my block will/probably/likely/well maybe ship next week!!  :m   :nw though,still waiting for a maybe ship date for the pistons. Drowning   Looks like I'll be running the 360 for our spring gathering. Damn.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on April 11, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
I have a block!!!!! I have crank/rods /pistons/rings/custom cam, etc.. I have everything for the short block!!!!! I have heads being revised at Speier Racing Heads being modded to my liking for endurance use. Soooooo,another 3 months and I will be able to begin mock up. What should have taken 3 months has ,as usual, became a much longer than normal process.  I must say the wait was worth it for the block. Dart did a really fine job with it.  If I should decide to later do anything I want to with it power wise, I can do so with confidence it is up to the task. Same goes for the Callies crank/rods. I doubt I do it but a supercharged version could be i the future as I get bored with 900ish N/A hosses.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on April 11, 2022, 11:20:49 AM
Technically heads are ready for install but I have been wishy-washy about using the 6/7 mm valve stem sizes. I finally made my mind up late in the game after all this time that I just wasn't going to use the tiny stems even though they do just fine for 1000 laps at 9K in Nascar trim. I want to have reliable use for at least 5K miles before needing a freshen up. Sooooo,that's why Speier has the heads now getting new guides/seats/coated titanium valves and a new 5 angle valve job. Now I will be happy.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: budlight69 on April 11, 2022, 11:42:37 AM
Good news on the parts finally showing up.  Can't wait to hear this beast run! 
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on April 11, 2022, 05:17:02 PM
Just shy of a damn year for a custom block. beathorse.gif~c200 :m
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on April 12, 2022, 06:57:29 AM
that seems a bit long to myself.....under normal circumstances that is.  with the way everything is screwed up currently, not bad  :m

glad you got everything so far, wish i could say the same on my trans!

this will be a very nice addition to the rail and so will a sc maybe possibly some day????  :m :nw
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: dsrace on April 12, 2022, 06:59:00 AM
Good news on the parts finally showing up.  Can't wait to hear this beast run!

that makes two of us!
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on April 12, 2022, 07:23:09 AM
Good news on the parts finally showing up.  Can't wait to hear this beast run!

that makes two of us!


That makes 3.   The Ti valves are out 3 months.  :m  Who knows how long it will really take. I should have made my mind up a long time ago. Oh well. The 360 will just have to do for now.
Title: Re: Well,EFF ME!! SB2.2 #2
Post by: fabr on April 12, 2022, 07:33:36 AM
that seems a bit long to myself.....under normal circumstances that is.  with the way everything is screwed up currently, not bad  :m

glad you got everything so far, wish i could say the same on my trans!

this will be a very nice addition to the rail and so will a sc maybe possibly some day????  :m :nw
  For dune use I feel a supercharger is best but twins would be a lot easier to do.  Honestly,I'm going to just enjoy the damn thing till it becomes boring and then decide what I'll do.